DRF Scores A “HED-Shot”

Yesterday was a bit depressing. Not only did our side stand down from a major engagement with over 600 people on our side ready to fight, but MVN took its first ever super-capital loss in a very un-glorified way.

When one of our Avatar pilots logged off the day before yesterday, NCdot was able to get his safe spot somehow.

They either had a spy in fleet who had warped to him and bookmarked the spot before he logged the previous day, or they were somehow able to probe him as he logged in yesterday. We do not know which.

Some people are posting that he cyno’d into HED. That is not the case. We did not jump anything into HED, least of all a single titan.

When he logged in at that safe-spot, expecting to be able to cloak safely before being found, there was a dictor waiting for him at the bookmark before he even landed.

The result was AAA’s first ever titan loss in their entire history, and a moment of great embarrassment for MVN. We’ll rebuild it eventually, but the loss upset us deeply. It was a far larger blow to our pride than anything else.

I had long resigned myself to the fact that MVN would probably lose a super in this war, simply because we actually use all of our toys on a regular basis while many in our coalition do not, but I was hoping any supers lost would at least go down swinging in a real fight.

The titan loss happened before we were even fully formed up, so there was no way to rescue him. We eventually gathered 500 people with proper ship types and had another 100 or so in a third fleet with a mixed composition of late-comers.

Our total fleet strength was around 600 sub-caps and a classified number of super-capitals. We had more sub-caps than the DRF, who had around 400 in their sub-cap fleet with, but the problem was their titans.

Even without heavy lag, a large enough group of titans simply makes sub-capital fleets irrelevant. Titans can pop a battleship in 2-3 volleys from their turrets (and sometimes less) and they can DD a command ship or logistic every time the cycle is finished.

In heavy lag, Titans get even more effective. Long cycling times for modules is no problem for a Titan. In comparison, close range battleships (like the Armageddon fleets we have been using heavily) will suffer immensely. Fast cycling weapons suffer the most in heavy lag, while doomsdays and XL-guns are rarely affected.

From the very beginning of this war, we knew that the presence of even half of DRF super-cap fleet would make beating them impossible. That is why protecting the HED cyno jammer was of such great importance.

Ultimately, the lack of active Russians in AAA made it impossible to protect our jammer when the DRF has good numbers. This was compounded by the Stain Empire reset, since SE have long been a key Russian timezone ally for AAA.

Because we couldn’t keep 23/7 system control, the DRF was able to continually break our cyno jammers down, and that is what allowed them to press the “i-win” button time after time.

The failure to protect our jammer made our strength in the U.S. timezone irrelevant.

We haven’t given up on fighting for our remaining systems, but the imminent loss of HED is a massive blow – both logistically and in terms of morale.

I think everyone on our side is proud that we held off the DRF in HED for 3 weeks. A month ago, we all expected that were going to be so badly out-manned and out-gunned by the DRF that we would have to immediately fall back to Stain. That didn’t happen.

AAA became a symbol of resistance to the DRF, and many alliances came to fight at our side. That is the reason we were able to hold out so long in HED. We saw regular participation from Nulli, ROL, Imperial Order and even Razor.

Unfortunately, the DRF seems poised to succeed at the monopolization of 0.0 like no other entity has done before. It is almost a cliche at this point to say that one side is “ruining the game” so I will just hope that the game’s new mega-coalition meets the same disasters that crushed the NC and GBC in the past.

Aside from mass-producing super-capitals, the other key to the success of Russian alliances like White Noise and XXdeath has been support from non-Russian alliances like NCdot and Raiden. If PL are needed, they also make an appearance – for a fee.

My hope is that the current DRF coalition fractures a bit. I can guarantee that they would see far more action from our side if they left their allies from the North at home.

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11 Responses to “DRF Scores A “HED-Shot””

  1. We can also just wait for the supercap nerf.

    • x up for -a- kills Says:

      yeah you do that……. everything will be just fine if you wait that out.

      • If CCP nerfs only super-carriers without nerfing titans or adding something new to the mix, like a dread-buff, it will not matter very much.

        So I agree with your sentiment, I think..

        It would also be nice if Tri, BoB and Evoke could form their own coalition without propping up the already super-heavy DRF, but apparently everyone wants to beat up on a weaker coalition more than they want a chance at seeing a real super-cap brawl, which can only happen if both sides feel they have a chance at victory.

  2. Marcus Mctavish Says:

    The current drf, in my opinion will continue to attack aaa until that have collapsed and then move on to goonswarm, even after the super carrier nerf, they still have a lot of titans.
    Unlike the former nc that was united to help defend each other, I don’t believe that the drf will stand together after the wars, each of the drf alliances fought each other before the nc war.
    But I commend you, you are a good sport, most of ether people that were in nc and those that are in nc do nothing but complain and rant.
    Additionally, when drf breaks up, a resurgence like IT, would be sick, thats where my respect for aaa comes from.

    • AAA will not disband because it loses space, that much I am sure of.

      I don’t know about the DRF breaking up though. I think they want a monopoly on 0.0 sov so they can setup rental agreements.

      Once you control 0.0, you control super production, which means no one can ever challenge you unless they essentially break-off from your coalition and take a large number of supers with them.

      We are heading towards 100 titans on a single grid being a regular sight.

  3. Sorry to hear about PK’s titan loss, even though I was disappointed to see you guys go to -A- I still have fond memories of PK’s sniper hac roams in Fountain, he was a very good FC and I had tons of fun.

    About this…

    Because we couldn’t keep 23/7 system control, the DRF was able to continually break our cyno jammers down, and that is what allowed them to press the “i-win” button time after time.

    Might want to work on that one a bit. You only have to push an “i-win” button once. :p

    • Dienekes IV Says:

      wasn’t PK’s titan

    • We have had fun in AAA. The corp has gotten 2 titan kills and I think 5 super carrier kills. The best part is the roaming, AAA has a roaming-centric culture and it’s great.

      AAA like casual pvp and we were planning to live in Curse as a corp so it made more sense to stay in the South than just joining the DRF bandwagon. We had offers from alot of the people in the DRF.

      As for the quote you selected, I don’t see any issue. I think you mistakenly thought I was referring to one single fight, when in fact i was referring to the fact that the DRF dropped supers on us over and over. It is how they have won every single major timer.

  4. I think the DRF has its limits. Already we see that when Raiden, NC., PL, and White Noise (?) went after Goons XDeath and RA didn’t really get involved. And they ran afoul of the Goon tactic of the perma-camp which has been very effect 3 times now. And we all know -A- tactics, fall back to Stain wait for the DRF to turn their attention elsewhere and then go on the offensive. It worked well against the Initiative when IT was drawn back home by an invasion from TEST and Goons. The DRF have huge amounts of territory to defend now, which makes defense all the harder. Sure they can cyno around alot, but it isn’t as easy as it sounds. Moving larger numbers of caps takes time and planning and resources. And as I already noted the DRF is really a coalition and if internal bickering starts up…well we all know what happens to alliances like that (IT, NC, Goons, RA, etc.).

    • The real problem is that the DRF is mass producing supers while the South is not. Southerners have not been able to safely install supers into CSAA towers so we are falling further behind every day.

      There will have to be resets within the DRF if they ever want to see a serious challenge to their sov.

  5. Oh I agree with that. The only thing that could stop the DRF now is the DRF…well okay and CCP. Once the DRF stops shooting everyone else they will be sitting there with powerful weapons looking at each other wondering which one is going to stab the others in the back first is my guess (personally I’m hoping it is Raiden., but that is due to Finfleet and X-13’s traitorous behavior in IT).

    Another potential problem is a guerrilla war. Those are always hard to stop. So even if they get to control most of null sec, or even all of it, the NPC pockets and access from low sec/hi sec will make it hard for the DRF to keep out people who want to shoot their shit. Granted killing CSAAs that way probably isn’t going to happen, but if done right it could help facilitate a DRF fracture. Think about what assholes Finfleet and X-13 leadership are and a situation where they don’t have a common enemy to shoot, and some group is constantly nibbling at them, maybe even with the help of blue sleeper agents who have infiltrated an alliance that they are blue to for convenience sake…?

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